Sky News AM Agenda
With Kieran Gilbert and The Hon Andrew Leigh MP
16 December 2013
8:30am
E & OE
Subjects: MYEFO, NDIS, marriage
KIERAN GILBERT:
First up to Andrew Leigh, the Budget is apparently worse than first thought, according to the Government, and we could be heading towards ten years of deficits unless some drastic action is taken.
ANDREW LEIGH:
There are some big decisions that the Government has taken, aren’t they Kieran? The $9 billion to the Reserve Bank, the $17 billion of revenue you lose when you get rid the mining tax and the carbon price, I mean the impact of those on the budget is going to be very, very significant.
KIERAN GILBERT:
But Tony Abbott says that this is the last economic statement of the Labor era, isn’t that a fair enough assessment, given we are only, well 100 days since the election?
ANDREW LEIGH:
I think that’s a great try on, and given where Mr Abbott is coming from, you can understand why he’s giving it a good old shake. Unfortunately, Peter Costello…
KIERAN GILBERT:
But only three months in, how can it not be Labor’s legacy that we are talking about here?
ANDREW LEIGH:
Well, because unfortunately for Mr Abbott, we are playing by Peter Costello’s rules. Those rules say that there is a Charter of Budget Honesty, brought down, and a Pre-Election Fiscal Outlook brought down during the election campaign, lays out exactly the state of the books, at the time that the election takes place. And the reason that Peter Costello put those rules into place was very simple, it is to avoid exactly this kind of trick. The kind of attempt to find spiders in the cupboard that Mr Abbott’s been going on with and Mr Hockey as well. Frankly, this is a MYEFO and much as Joe Hockey would like to think that it’s Your EFO or Wayne’s EFO or someone else’s EFO, this is a statement of the decisions he’s made.
KIERAN GILBERT:
I’m told we’ve got the Assistant Social Services Minister, Mitch Fifield, with us now. Senator Fifield, good to see you, and let me ask you first of all about this suggestion. Well first of all, Tony Abbott is saying that this is Labor’s last economic statement of its era, but he’s refusing to commit to return the budget back to surplus within four years. Is that on? Or is it off? That commitment to have the budget back into surplus by 2016-17.
MITCH FIFIELD:
Well Kieran, our objective is to get the budget back into surplus as soon as we can. Our objective is to pay off as much debt as we possibly can, as soon as we can. The real issue here is whether the Australian Labor Party are going to recognise that there has been a change of Government. And if the Australian Labor Party are going to stand in the way of each and every measure proposed to get the budget back into a sustainable position. So far, we have seen the Labor Party announce that they will oppose even the savings measures that they themselves announced before the election. This is truly perverse stuff Kieran, but our objective is that we want to get the budget back into surplus as soon as we can.
KIERAN GILBERT:
Well, so that, is that another target that’s gone by the wayside, Senator Fifield?
MITCH FIFIELD:
Kieran, the targets of the Labor Party and we saw many of them during their term of office, Budget after Budget not one of them was met. I lost count of how many targets the previous government set for when they would get the budget back into surplus. They were forever moving, they were forever changing. So you’ll forgive me if I’m not going to cop lectures from the Australian Labor Party when it comes to budget targets. But what we know at the moment is that on Labor’s own numbers from the PEFO, from the numbers from Treasury and Finance at that time the budget was looking to be $30 billion in deficit. We know that Labor were forecasting net government debt in excess of $200 million. Now, we will find out tomorrow with the MYEFO whether those numbers have gotten worse. And I think Tony Abbott is quite right to say that the MYEFO will in effect be the last budget statement on behalf of the previous Government. But it’ll be the first truthful one.
KIERAN GILBERT:
Minister, can I ask you, as the Minister responsible for the National Disability Insurance Scheme: Is the NDIS safe from cuts, despite the worsening budget forecast?
MITCH FIFIELD:
Kieran, we have made clear, and I’ll state it again today, that we will honour the announced spending on the NDIS. We are, even as I speak now, in the process of honouring and delivering the bilateral agreements that have been reached between the Commonwealth and the other jurisdictions. Tony Abbott is very personally committed to seeing the NDIS delivered, and that’s what we are going to do.
KIERAN GILBERT:
And on time, on schedule, as promised?
MITCH FIFIELD:
Kieran, we are honouring and it is our intention to do so the bilateral agreements with the other jurisdictions and they lay out the timeframe.
***** cuts to Prime Minster Press Conference*****
KIERAN GILBERT:
The Prime Minister there at Anglesea on the Great Ocean Road. With me this morning, Andrew Leigh and Mitch Fifield.
Much smaller discussion than one we’ve normally got of course because of the Prime Minister’s news conference. He says tomorrow they will be starting to outline the fiscal problem and start to fix it, but the economic ramifications of decisions made by Labor will remain. As an economist, is that a fair enough argument? Decisions made in Government are obviously going to have ramifications for years into the future. It can’t be fixed overnight
ANDREW LEIGH:
Well, the Budget was set down before the election, that Pre-Election Fiscal Outlook is the baseline that Mr Abbott is inheriting. I mean let’s face it. Mr Abbott said that…
KIERAN GILBERT:
But it’s got worse. It’s $17 billion worse already.
ANDREW LEIGH:
Indeed. Mr Abbott has worsened it through a number of decisions, including the $9 billion to the Reserve Bank.
KIERAN GILBERT:
So you are saying as soon as the election’s done, Labor’s legacy, over? There are no ramifications then for the new Government.
ANDREW LEIGH:
None beyond the four years of estimates that were set out in the Pre-Election Fiscal Outlook. I mean for a Government that said there would be no surprises and no excuses. There’s more surprises than a haunted house and more excuses than a three year old with its hand in the cookie jar. I mean this is really strange stuff indeed. Mr Abbott ought to be behaving like a grown up, he said this would be a Government in which the adults were in charge, but instead he seems to be suggesting that everyone else is to blame. He can’t get the budget under control so he has to strike a deal with the Greens for unlimited debt. He’s breaking promises on the National Broadband Network, on Medicare Locals, turning the National Disability Insurance Scheme launch sites into mere trial sites, which I think is deeply concerning. What was a budget emergency has turned into unlimited debt, under Joe Hockey’s watch.
KIERAN GILBERT:
I want to bring in Mitch Fifield now, we heard a lot from the Prime Minister on the economic issue, I want to ask you about something he was also asked about on same-sex marriage Senator Fifield. Given the comments made by Malcolm Turnbull yesterday, he thinks there is a reasonable prospect there could be a conscience vote for the Liberal Party this parliamentary term on same-sex marriage. What’s your view on it, what do you think the overall mood of the party room is on this issue?
MITCH FIFIELD:
If a bill comes before the Parliament, our party room will consider it. I think we need to distinguish between the issue of conscience votes and free votes. In a sense, every vote in the Parliament, for a Liberal, is a conscience vote. Unlike the Labor Party, we don’t have automatic expulsion if you don’t vote according to the party line, so every vote for a Liberal is an effective conscience vote. There’s the issue of free votes. A free vote arises where the Party doesn’t have a stated position. And, for there to be a free vote in relation to a same-sex marriage bill, our Party room would need to declare that there was not a Liberal Party position. So, if a bill comes to the Parliament, it will come to our Party Room and our Party Room will consider it at that stage.
KIERAN GILBERT:
And, obviously, do you have a view, one way or the other, on whether it will or not, we’ve only got about 30 seconds left, but just quickly?
MITCH FIFIELD:
Look, I honestly don’t know. Our Party has had a clear position over a long period of time to support the status quo when it comes to the Marriage Act. This matter, if it arises, will be considered by our Party Room.
KIERAN GILBERT:
Senator Fifield and Andrew Leigh, apologies for the shorter discussion, but as I say, the Prime Minister intervened.
ANDREW LEIGH:
No worries Kieran.
KIERAN GILBERT:
Have a good day.
MITCH FIFIELD:
Cheers.
KIERAN GILBERT:
That’s all for our chat on the first half of the program this morning. We’ll have more of AM Agenda after the break.
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